::: Annie Frisbie
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hmmm...will have to consider the possibility that the tangent universe is just a dream of Donnie's next time I see it, but on first consideration I don't think this really works. How do you learn of the contents of a book you didn't even know existed in a dream? This is only possible if some outside agent is controlling the dreamworld you inhabit, and that raises even more problems. The whole thing with Sparrow's book makes a dream thesis a bit hard to swallow.
Still...next time I watch it...
Jim
Tanya i thought i understood it till i read your post ...now u confused the f*k outta me so im going to completly forget i read your post -no offense-. Ok...looks like i have to say something about the film now...
I think its got more to do with frank than anything else. I mean when DD get into bed at the start he sleep walks out of it right (franks doing). He just called his mom a b*tch and isn't in a gd mood. At he end he is. The main article (the one that you are all replying to) cleared that up for me. He is happy he understands that his death will stop the ending of the world, his girls death, (mind you if its the end of the world then his girls gonna die anyway) and so much pain, sorrow (etc). Although at one point his on the bed with his girl and they look like they pritty much had sex...or just went feeling each other up but then again she dies becuase of this anomaly in time. And to be honest that all it is an anomaly. It wasn't meant to happen and is against logical.
Donnie never himself travelled back in time, the only thing that travelled through time at all was the jet engine. Donnie was being manipulated in the tangent universe to create a wormhole and guide the jet engine through it back into the past. The appearance of the jet engine in the first of the movie caused a corruption of the time space continuim which was why the universe was in danger, and needed to be saved. So in the tangent universe there were the manipulated dead, which is to say Frank Professor Notikoff (who if you explore the website, you know died in a car crash) and the manipulated living, which is to say Donnie, Grandma Death etc. and they are all being manipulated in a way that will lead Donnie to the answers about time travel so that he may use that power to open the wormhole to guide the jet engine to it's proper place. Which is in Donnie's bedroom at the beginning of the film. Donnie is in his bed at the end because he has awoken from the "dream" of the tangent universe and realizes that by dying he can prevent the happenings of said tangent universe.
The main problem people have in interpretting this movie is the fact that we feel the need to place it on a timeline. In the movie, Donnie himself scoffs at the idea of placing things on a two dimensional line. Jim Cunningham forcing people to believe in this ideal situation where everything has an answer and everything is based on a combination of two extremes or realities, is no accident. It is in the movie for a reason. In reality, life and this Donnie Darko are dependant on a multitude of realities.
Perhaps we can explain away a couple of ideas. First of all, the Donnie being crushed is NOT the same Donnie that is found sleeping on the golf course. These are two entirely seperate realities which Frank has the freedom to travel between. Even this makes the movie overly complex and circular, but it is important to note.
The main idea in this movie, imho, is that it cannot be simple explained. It is an enigma that wraps itself in a circular plot that contradicts itself and confuses viewers. The beauty of it, however, is so profound that whether or not we can explain every bit of it away it still has a great affect on us.
Most of us that live, think, breathe and contemplate may find the universe, nature, or God very confusing and contradictory. This confusion, however, does not diminish the effect that faithful humans have in God or that we each can see in nature and the universe everyday.
On the basis of this comparison, the movie is simply a grand allegory in reference to the Universe, God or whatever we want to call it. There is no simple answer and there never will be, but that doesn't mean we will stop exploring the possibilities for the rest of time.
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If you guys want to really know what DD is all about than read this: My theory is that Donnie was never supposed to get out of bed in the first place, thus creating the Tangent universe. Than once he did all things are constructed in place to put donni back in the past at the krux of the timeline mishap, The tangent universe is not exaclty caused by the engine persay, but the fact that donnie was supposed to die in the first place does create a time line mishap. Think about it, Donnie knew everything before it happened, he existed outside of time, whenever he sees Frank or does something mischevous it is always darkout and things change, like the titles of those two movies for instance. This is also why Roberta Sparrow was waiting so long for Donnies Letter, it was supposed to be there anyway, but Donnie sort of stopped time with the dodgeing the bullet or in this case plane engine. When he learns to go back to the krux of the plane engine everything is reversed and Everyone is alive thinking what they had been through in the tangent universe was all a bad dream, even Gretchen did not even know who anyone was yet, thus as i said before the only real thing that was supposed to happen in the first place was the death of Donnie, Hence he dies, universe back to normal and thus everyone (including real time universe) is saved. Clear as day--- any questions?
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Donnie Dharko is Jesus Chirst. Frank is the Devil. The whole movie is the like " A Last Temptation of Christ" where Frank tempts Donnie into revenge against society and Cunning. But at the end he sacrifices himself for mankind hence dying for the sins of society, cunning, etc.,
hi, does anyone have any information on the number of genres present in donnie darko, and whether the film proves that genre is pointless as it cannot be pigeonholed into one definate genre. I am doing my coursework on this and would appreciate your views. Thank you
Just read the posts about there not being two Donnies. That makes sense, so long as Donnie went missing in the main timeline while he was living/acting in the alternate timeline...fixes several problems, actually.
Jim
Of course I agree that the creators of any fictional work are allowed to comment on their own work. I also agree that any fictional work -- film or otherwise -- is the product of the person(s) who created it. It'd be silly to say otherwise on both counts. What I disagree with is the idea that the author/director's opinion is "controlling" as a result. Creators are not in full control of their created product -- not at any time -- so can say things they didn't intend and not say things they did intend. If the website fills in gaps, then it supplies some useful possibilities, but this isn't controlling. The gaps are part of the created product -- part of what they originally intended -- so they're part of the work and its meaning as well.
I think the problem with there being "duplicate" matter is a problem inherent in the idea of separate timelines -- but once we admit there are separate, parallel timelines, we have to accept that there are two Donnie Darkos, two airplanes, etc.
Now I'm trying to rethink this thing again. If I remember correctly, it seemed to make sense that the "alternate" timeline was the one we watched in the film -- so that the plane was in the air in the alternate timeline, lost its engine, but the engine fell to earth at a point where both timelines intersected. So Donnie was able to go back to that point, stay in his room (what happened to the second Donnie, then? There'd have to be a reintegration), and be killed, eradicating the second timeline in which his girlfriend died and other horrible things happened.
This means it's irrelevant where the plane was in the main timeline. Could have been on the ground, in the air, etc. It seems to make sense that it would be following the same flight pattern in both timelines, unless there's a specific accounting for why it's in the air in the alternate timeline but on the ground in the original timeline. Remember -- the alternate timeline is an extension of the original timeline. Saying that Donnie just changed things isn't enough -- a chain of events that explain the change sensibly within the world of the film is what is needed here.
Jim
Grandma Death went to the post box every day. Was she waiting for Donnie's letter. Why did she stand in the middle of the lane. Did she travel through time and know that her life was predestined to divert Frank's car causing Gretchen's death? Is this why she was mad?
So much cause and affect, or is it effect?
hi, does anyone have any information on the number of genres present in donnie darko, and whether the film proves that genre is pointless as it cannot be pigeonholed into one definate genre. I am doing my coursework on this and would appreciate your views. Thank you
WHOA! Donnie didn't travel himself back in time. If you carefully read the "Philosophy of Time Travel" the Living Reciever is chosen to GUIDE the Artifact into position for its journey back to the primary universe. He doesn't travel himself so there aren't TWO Donnies in the primary Universe.
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i went all the way to the third level of the donnie darko website and got up to when it says, donnie your time is up or something. is that the end of the website??? because nothing else happened from there. if then, that was stupid, it didn't help me figure anything out.