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OH.. by the way...
did anyone catch the meteor shower last night/this morning?
Wait...don't you need to know where we belong -- or what our purpose is -- before you can say we assign meaning even "when humanity has no business."
In other words, you have to have a clear sense of what the business of humanity is before you can tell it that it's gone somewhere where it has no business.
Humans love to assign purpose... even in a conversation...when humanity has no business..even considering the fact that they may have anything to do w/ the purpose of anything.....
Yes....there's a purpose. It's all around you. It's in the air you breathe, the food you eat. It's there when you wake up in the morning and there when you go to bed. It's there when you help your landlady out with the trash, there when you go to church, or go to work. You can't see it, you can't feel it, you can't smell it, but you're surrounded by it. It's inescapable.
It's Brittany Spears' a***.
Well... I look at everything as the cornerstone of life.... not just movies.... Like you opinion of me...and my physical being... I can gurantee that you perception of me is the opposite of what I am. I'd put money on that. So, when I say truth. I don't mean your truth. Or x's truth, or y's truth, or anyone else's truth but my own and how it relates to my life.
I'm no movie buff. I'm not here to position myself. I'm just that person who will test a person's 'truth'.... without the disagreement. You know? Well. I know this is true because I have what you call 'split personality'.... literaly. And I fight with two different truths... that both are right in my case... so if there's more then one truth... what does that do for the word truth? Truth is not the sword in the stone. ( well maybe it is).... we can talk about religion..... football... gangs...guns...drugs...gangsters... philosophy...humanity... anything... I still have this same voice.. and my pasion is for life.. the reason I talk about movies... is because it is the ultimate escape from reality... it's a gift and we don't even know it.....
and like you said... I can open the door for you to form opinions.. and choose your 'side'..... but in the end you have to walk through it and make the choice to either disagree or agree.... and with all humans. It has to be one or the other right? But for me its... neither... it's 'wow.. great idea'..
'great opinion'.. 'great imagination'... its all love here...
I am hypocracy (spell?)...and a living contradiction....I'm impossible... I shouldn't be here.. but I am...
okay... here's a mental picture of who I really am.... (and it's even worse when I talk about 'educational' stuff)... I'm 23 years old... light-skinned african american.. 6'1 220lbs..(former football linebacker)...you would think of me as an athlete... I'm from the inner city of Chicago..... you'd never think I was the master of the universe.....I'm just the devil's advocate.... and so is the matrix.
why does havok misunderstand "the purpose" of this "discussion"? maybe i misunderstand. there's a Purpose?
Eh, once you say this:
"burying the truth thousands of years ago."
That is, once you admit that there ever was or is or can be "the truth," you immediately open the door up to opinion, "understanding," disagreement, agreement, etc...
because truth, at least in linguistic forms, cannot exist any other way.
In other words, if someone tells The Truth, and another person Expresses an Opinion, how will they sound different from one another? Both are talking, using words, saying something like X is equal to Y and not Z, etc.
I'm all for open interpretations of literary or cinematic works, but I don't make this the cornerstone of my life.
There are ALWAYS going to be two side to every story in the history of humanity...and all things. But, the truth lies somewhere in between. Yes sacrifice or No sacrifice.... is a game not worth playing... because of those darn brothers understanding of that fact.... therefore... the only answer to to what is the matrix is... the matrix.. the title... and everything else... every place people try to take the meaning....
You can take your interpretation of the movie in one direction (lets say north).... I can take it in the opposite...(south).... with totaly different opinions... and different details.. we'll eventually form a circle and our opinion (will meet at a common truth).... and for most people (like neo).. they aren't quite ready for that. Damn, there I go again. But, I can play devil's advocate with you.... just have the opposite opinion...to prove a point. That movie 'matrix'... is (in my opinion) a kind of poison for minds that chose to disect...because... it's a divide an conquer of 'beliefs'... when your beliefs are divided and conqured... so are you. That's why we're all going to buy the 3 disk DVD set when they package it up all nice and nifty....damn...(I'm know for going on a tangent)
Oh and in response to the question about why I don't wish for people to understand. I can only attribute that to 'vanity' I guess.... But that would mean that I think I'm right and others are wrong... and down that trail... where I'm not interested in going... so I just post my thoughts. Not looking for anyone to agree....and most certainly not looking to disagree w/ anyone... and 'understanding' is a form of agreeing and disagree.. because you would have to 'understand' in order to form an opinion on what I'm saying.. and the problem w/ this whole world is... people have been generating opinions on top of opinions... burying the truth thousands of years ago... and causing a huge blind fold on all of humanity. So that's why I don't want people to 'understand'.... sort of my own form of 'control'.....
hey... I 'control' people for a living..... what other thought process should I live by?
Thanks much for pointing out those details -- they're very telling and I will be on the lookout for them next time I see the movie. I think I do recall Neo laying in basically a crucified position while he was plugged in to the Mainframe.
I probably don't understand your purpose for these discussions, but I do understand mine.
Are you sure you can really say Neo didn't make a sacrifice? He lost Trinity, was blinded, etc. But I think you're saying he didn't make a sacrifice because he didn't choose.
Remember, the Oracle didn't tell Neo in the second film that the choice was already made for him. She told him that _he_ has already chosen, and that he now has to understand the reasons for that decision. So choice is still real and individuals do make them.
The choice Neo made at the end to visit the Mainframe was the trajectory of all the other smaller choices he made leading up to that point, including the choice he made to take the red pill rather than the blue, the choice to seek out Morpheus and Trinity, the choice to get into computer work, etc. All these choices are real, were Neo's personal choices, and were a function of, and contributed to, the person he is and has become.
Our character determines our fate.
Okay.. yes, purpose is what drives you. Well, I'm not much into reading opinions... but I can get the 'jist'... from a glance. Your talking about Neo being sacrificed. Well that was so very obvious in the setup when he went to the machine mainframe... and even more obvious when neo turned in the the light as he was 'dying'.. the light formed a cross on his chest..... and he was in a position like he was on the cross....and when it was over...and they carried him away, you can't help but to think 'It is finished' in your heart.
But even the story of sacrifice has it's own underlying meaning....There really was no sacrifice....
Already made the choice (sacrifice).. now has to understand why..which takes away meaning of the word sacrifice..since he had no choice! And YOU CAN'T CHOOSE PURPOSE; OR DISTRIBUTE PURPOSE...UNLESS YOUR THE BOSS.
I apologize if I don't follow along totally w/ the conversation.... I just want to say 'something'.
Yeah I did mean the end. Sure, it wasen't a wooden cross, but a cross made of machine parts.
Im not sure you understand the purpose of these discussions.
If you don't wish for people to understand, why did you post a comment?
I think we have be careful about using the word "reality" -- everything that we can think is real, even if it's real only as a thought. It's more accurate to talk about "how" something is real than "that" something is real. The "Matrix" is "real" as a fictional construct set up in the Matrix movies. It may have some symbolic significance to our current lives, and that's where the discussion comes from.
The link between the matrix... and the reality of this world. Is the same as the link between reading a book..and imagining how it looks in your head. The answer is when you read that book.. you visualize the picture... then watch the movie...and have your mind blown. It's a simple task of introducing a variable into a unsolvable equation. y=x . Doesn't matter if it's true... but it is linked.
There's no point in comparing the matrix w/ our reality. Because it's a link. You will not be able to find a situation where you cannot compare aspects of that situation to the 3 matrix movies. The movie creates an (almost infinate) number of possibilties. And it's due to it's very nature and purpose. NOTE: the majority of the world can care less about this discussion here, and a huge percent of the world will not read this... does that mean it does not exist? To them it doesn't. Which is GOOD. We, as in people with this type of perception (some of the people/writters here/and others), don't want( or need) everyone to think like this. There's no use in trying to 'explain'... because the answers are everywhere... movies are just a link between imagination and reality. Reality because of the light refracting off the screen into our eyes..and our brain telling us that those specific beams of light create those pictures..and we then believe that it's not real.... but it's THERE.
I do not wish for people to understand these things. They may consider these 'strange things' for a couple of days.. or maybe ponder for a year or two. But they will give up, and maybe they'll have kids.. or get a new job.... or car.... or have an affair. Then their focus is gone. Back to the drawing board for them. And away they go.
In my 23 years on this earth I've learned one thing: I've been here for 23 years.
Wait -- when you said that Neo was literally crucified in the last movie -- THAT'S what I was asking about. Did you mean near the end, when he was plugged in to fight ex-Agent Smith?
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