Sunday, May 04, 2008

The Dreamers

(Part 2 of 2)

By Steven Q. Fletcher ::: continued ::: (10) Comments ::: Read the whole thing



Great analysis of the film, thank you.  I agree with you that there wasn’t a consummated threesome at the end—the female character wanted to commit suicide out of shame of her knowledge that at least one of her parents saw them all together—shame of the appearance of a threesome. 

I think the point is that the two French characters are very immature—their sexuality isn’t mature, committed sexuality but childish games.  The entrance of the American represents the demand that his French friends grow up—all the incest or near incest, etc., is all from a lingering childhood experimentation and it’s time for both of them to get real partners and leave that stuff behind.  The fact that they’re still financially dependent upon their parents adds to this impression, and the fact that they try to maintain an innocent facade for their parents also adds to the impression of their immaturity.

But this is a point at which I disagree with you—I think this is all about the 1968 Revolution, and that Bert. is using these incestous characters to comment upon the revolution: that it is an incestous, immature movement, that it is children rebelling against parents upon whom they are still dependent, that it is unproductive and childish, that the participants need to grow up, and that what’s happening in America is, for Bert., what makes what’s happening in France in 1968 seem so immature.  May not agree with Bert’s view of the 1968 riots in France, but I think that’s what it was and why he made the film with these characters…who in the end participated when the American walked away.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09 Jun 08 at 01:03 AM

I found the critique very helpful, especially the annotation of texts and context.  Still, a failure to discuss the psychological dimension, the infernal and incestual menage a trois, frustrated what might have been an excellent assessment.  The cinema as a catechism for coming into self-awareness might be the greater theme, but this in conflict with the youths’ resistance to the possibility that their dream will be spoiled—and their pubescent escape into the inner sanctum—all of this points to the difficulty of transitioning to full adulthood.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 09 Jan 09 at 02:38 PM

Wow, excellent analysis.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 30 Mar 09 at 01:05 AM

I can’t imagine why you managed to spend the time to write 2 pages of analysis of what was a garbage movie about garbage people by a garbage director. This was a movie that clearly reached it’s peak at the “the end” graphic…..........

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 02 Feb 10 at 10:50 PM

Because it’s not a garbage movie?

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 02 Feb 10 at 10:54 PM

I thought the analysis absolutely brilliant. The level of detail in the analysis is phenomenal!

The movie reminded me a lot of American Beauty, mainly because of the atmosphere that always makes you feel “This is going to end badly”. There, too, the attempt to break out of societal confinement is eventually punished.

Posted by Marc Chehab on 14 Mar 11 at 01:01 AM

Thank you very much for this analysis. It is an excellent look at a masterpiece. I heard of this movie in film class, though we never watched it. I finally got around to doing so and was blown away. I immediately watched it again. It is beautiful and painful at the same time. Like a sad song that still warms your heart simply because it is familiar. Using the setting as a metaphor for what is going on in the apartment and vice versa is great.

I had a few questions, but you have cleared them up, and shed light on things I never even noticed. It is shame people have missed the messages in it and focused on the literal aspects.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 25 Aug 14 at 03:32 AM

Amazing analysis! One thing I would personally disagree with however is the tent discovery scene interpretation… I think they have in-fact engaged in a physical love triangle that final night, since they passed out drunk fully clothed and were discovered completely naked in completely different positions… But obviously as any form of art it is open to a never-ending amount of interpretations!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 28 Dec 14 at 10:58 PM

First of all I really enjoyed your analysis! And the funny thing is that I saw the movie by another perspective.. In brief Theo and in part also Isabelle (maybe Isabel le more subconsciously) were searching for the right guy to unlock (!) Isabelle. Theo gave himself this limit and he needed someone to be the first for Isabelle in order to be able to go sexually further with his sister. His face when he saw her blood said it all. He was very jalous when his “plan” escaped his hands and Isabelle and matthiew kept enjoying their love. About the political atmosphere I think he knew were he was and he found much more interesting this trip a trois than those street riots perhaps though pretending even with himself the contrary.  I found the movie very entertaining and sincerely I wish I could see a bit more sexual content especially among the siblings. Certain fantasies need to be elaborated not denyed. Sorry for my poor English!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 26 Aug 15 at 04:58 PM

Oh and btw I firmly believe that they did have sex under the tent.. when they went to sleep she was wearing a sort of night gown and later she didn’t wear it anymore… and their bodies postures suggested some sex activities!!!

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 26 Aug 15 at 05:48 PM

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